Steve Vavrus:
A couple of things that make Madison and Wisconsin in general potentially suitable as a place that's safer from climate change. One is that we have a lot of water and the other is that we are relatively cool climate compared to the rest of the country. So those are two advantages, but maybe just as important as what we don't have. We don't have hurricanes, we don't have big wildfires, and we're far away from sea level rise. So the combination of those things has made a lot of people speculate that our region of the country could be very attractive to so-called climate migrants.

Hannah Ritvo:
Thank you, and then what might make Madison not suit well for climate migration?

Steve Vavrus:
We have our own challenges, and the idea of a climate haven implies that it's a safe spot, a refuge. But people should be aware that we have our own climate extremes, our own climate challenges. We get a lot of heavy rainfalls, we get a lot of flooding. We often get heat waves too that are hot and humid. And then last summer we had so much wildfire smoke and that caught people off guard. So those are three in particular challenges that we face here too.