Frederica Freyberg:
One thing I wanted to ask pertaining to that was how the governor of Minnesota and the attorney general of Minnesota and the mayor of Minneapolis, how they pushed so strenuously against this, and then, it appears that the White House border czar is saying he's going to make things better, he's going to step back. How important is that kind of almost legal resistance to what's happening?

Howard Schweber:
It's hard to say. I should point out that the Minnesota Association of Police Chiefs also went to the White House and asked for a meeting with the president to raise the same point. No, this is not law enforcement against protestors. This is ICE, however you want to think of them, against law enforcement and protestors. It's very much being experienced as an invasion — a foreign invasion in the state — which is a way that Americans, unless they live in a place like Compton, are not accustomed to thinking of law enforcement officers. There's a lot of people are using the term militia, that these are an armed militia being sent to attack the American public. It's increasingly hard to resist that description, particularly when you consider the fact, for example, that there are approximately 10 times as many illegal aliens in Texas as there are in Minnesota. So to try and frame this as the White House is trying to frame this — as law enforcement against angry citizens — is wrong. And what's happened in the last few days, because of all the things we're talking about, is that there's been a large scale public reaction rejecting that narrative. I believe the White House is reacting to that, the loss of support, particularly from Republicans in Congress, for example, who are starting to speak up. The legal resistance from Walz and the mayor of Minneapolis — I don't think that really affects this president very much. What affects him is resistance from Republicans, first of all, from his base — the president of Latinos for Trump has come out speaking against the actions going on in Minnesota — and the perception that he's losing the battle of public narrative. So it's a political calculation, not a legal one. To the extent that the governor's statements have contributed to that little calculation, it's part of the discussion, but honestly, I think your earlier question was more on point. I think cell phone video footage has been the thing that has created the change in environment.