Steven Potter:
How do things get worse for farmers if they go unchecked?

Katie Glanville:
Things just continue to build. You know, a lot of times, people — if we're considering depression and things like that — will kind of start to self-isolate more. They might kind of start caring less about themselves. And then not only personally, but then with the farm, you might notice things starting to slide. That just, it gets to a point then where things build and people are kind of like, "I don't even know what to do or where to turn." They feel hopeless. And when people start to feel hopeless, then that's when we really get worried about them and concerned for — are they having suicidal thoughts? You know, what's going on now? So that's why there are such high numbers, I think, within the farming community and agriculture in general, with the suicide rates being three times higher than the national average.

Steven Potter:
Right, right — there's the stress, the depression, the isolation, and then, tell me about how farmers self-sacrifice through their work.

Katie Glanville:
So a lot of farmers — if a neighbor is struggling, they'll help them before they'll do their own crops or for their own chores, you know? It's, a lot of times it's a close-knit community, neighbors helping neighbors. But also, like, the needs of their animals, the needs of their farm — it's always, there's always something that they have to do or something that's taking precedence or a deadline that has to be met. And so they just keep moving themselves down on the line, and pretty soon, they're not doing well. I think part of my role or part of what I really try to stress to people is the importance of, do have to take some time to take care of yourself? You're not going to be able to take care of your farm or your animals or your family the way that you want to if you can't take care of yourself too and be healthy.