Amanpour and Company

THE TITLE IS QUITE WORRYING AND FRIGHTENING. IT IS CALLED MEN WHO HATE WOMEN. THERE ARE NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT. NO QUALIFIERS. WHAT MADE YOU WRITE THAT BOOK AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPART? >> I SUPPOSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE GROUP IS CALLED MEN WHO HATE WOMEN, NOT MEN HATE WOMEN. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC SMALL GROUP OF MEN. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ALL MEN. I STARTED WRITING THE BOOK BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF EXTREMIST COMMUNITIES OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL MALE SUPREMACISTS ONLINE AS A MALE WRITER AND RESEARCHER. FOR ME, I STARTED TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT THEY WERE HAVING ON YOUNG PEOPLE IN MY SCHOOL VISITS. AS PART OF MY WORK, I TALKED ON YOUNG PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. AND OVER THE LAST COUPLE SERIES STARTED TO NOTICE THAT I WAS COMING INTO CONTACT WITH MORE AND MORE TEENAGE BOYS WHO HAD BEEN RADICALIZED, REALLY EXTREME MYSOGYNY, WHO HAD BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC OF FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS RAGING. THAT THERE IS A DESIGN TO TOPPLE WHITE MEN FROM THEIR JOBS. AND I REALIZED BY ANY OTHER NAME WE WOULD CALL THIS RADICALIZATION. IF IT WERE ANOTHER GROUP PROPAGATING HATRED AMONGST YOUNG PEOPLE. BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THESE GROUPS EVEN THOUGH THEY ACTUALLY TAKE THEIR IDEOLOGY OFFLINE AND COMMIT REAL LIFE ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF THIS EXTREMIST MYSOGYNY. >> ALL I HAVE TO DO IS SWAP ISIS FOR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GROUPING, RADICALIZING YOUNG MEN, VULNERABLE YOUTH FOR SOME KIND OF WAR AGAINST A DEMOGRAPHIC. IN A WAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I WANT TO READ SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY IN THE BOOK. WE DO NOT USE THE WORD TERRORISM WHEN DESCRIBING A CRIME OF MASS MURDER COMMITTED BY A WHITE MAN WITH THE EXPLICIT INTERSECTION OF CREATING TERROR AND SPREADING HATRED AGAINST A SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS DEFINITION OF TERRORISM. IF THE DEMOGRAPHIC IN QUESTION IS WOMEN, THE MAN IS JUST DISTURBED, DERANGED, A LONE WOLF. ARE YOU SAYING THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THIS IN AS SERIOUS A MANNER AS TERRORIST RECRUITMENT? >> ABSOLUTELY. IT MEETS EVERY DEFINITION TO BE DESCRIBED AS SUCH. I'M TALKING ABOUT MASOCHISTS LIKE SANTA BARBARA MASSACRE WHERE SIX PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND 14 INJURED. OR ALEC, THE VAN ATTACKER WHO DROVE A SPEEDING RENTAL VAN INTO CROWDS KILLING 16. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOMEN. THESE ARE ATTACKS THAT BL EXPLICITLY CARRIED OUT. THE ATTACKERS HAVE MADE VERY CLEAR IN THE NAIL OF AN EXTREMIST HATRED OF WOMEN. WE DON'T CONSIDER THEM TERRORISM. ALTHOUGH WE WOULD FOR ANOTHER FORM CARRIED OUT WITH A SIMILAR MOTIVE.