Amanpour and Company

AS WE DISCUSSED, UKRAINE IS BEARING THE BLUNT OF RELENTLESS MISSILE STRIKES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN KHERSON WHICH WAS LIBERATED LAST MONTH. RUSSIA IS STILL SHELLING THE CITY AND AUTHORITIES SAY ONE PERSON WAS KILLED OVER THE BEAK -- WEEKEND. OUR NEXT GUEST HAS BEEN ON THE GROUND DOCUMENTING THE AFTERMATH AND TELLS HARRY WHAT SHE SAW. >> CHRISTIANE, THANKS. WELCOME BACK. AS WE ARE TALKING, THERE ARE LOTS OF REPORTS OF MORE ROCKETS BEING FIRED THROUGHOUT UKRAINE AND PEOPLE HUDDLING IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEMS OF THE CAPITAL CITY WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE GROUND HOW BAD IT IS AT THIS MOMENT? >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, UKRAINE HAS FALLEN INTO A PATTERN AND THEY GO INTO THE SHELTER AND PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO STOP LIVING. THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO STOP GOING OUT AND GOING TO CAVES WHEN THERE IS ELECTRICITY OF COURSE NOW. I THINK THEY'VE JUST MADE THE ACCOMMODATIONS TO LIVE IN THEIR COUNTRY FOR THE TIME BEING WHILE THEY CAN, WHILE THERE IS HEAT AND SPORADIC ELECTRICITY BUT WHEN THE SIRENS GO OFF, THEY TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY BECAUSE GENERALLY, IT DOES MEAN THERE ARE ATTACKS COMING. >> WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE PSYCHE OF CIVILIANS LEAVING IN CITIES OR UNDER THE THREAT OF A STATE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE POWER AND THERE COULD BE ROCKETS AGAIN? >> I MEAN, I ASKED MYSELF DAILY HOW LONG CAN THIS GO ON? HOW LONG CAN RUSSIA CONTINUE TO BARRAGE UKRAINE WITH MISSILES AND WITH ALL SORTS OF ARTILLERY AND DESTROY THE INFRASTRUCTURE. PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED. I SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, UKRAINIANS TO ME ARE SOME OF THE MOST RESILIENT AND STRONG PEOPLE I MET AND PHOTOGRAPHED BUT OF COURSE, THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH THAT HAS TO WEAR OUT AND PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIES. PEOPLE ARE GIVING BIRTH IN THESE CONDITIONS. PEOPLE ARE RAISING SMALL CHILDREN. WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM TIME AND TIME AGAIN? I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR ME WHEN I GO TO COVER UKRAINE, I LEAVE MY SMALL CHILDREN AT HOME. PEOPLE IN UKRAINE DO NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY AND I THINK IT'S A LOT TO ASK OF A POPULATION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN ENDURE THIS. >> YOU RECENTLY WERE IN UKRAINE AND FILED SOME TREMENDOUS PHOTOGRAPHY AND WORK FROM KHERSON, A CITY THAT NOW IS LIVING WITHOUT POWER IN APPROACHING COLD WINTER THAT'S ONLY GOING TO GET COLDER. GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT LIFE IS LIKE IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH, IT'S EXTRAORDINARY DIFFICULT. I WAS IN KHERSON. I ARRIVED THERE ON THE DAY IT WAS LIBERATED WITH SEVERAL OTHER JOURNALISTS. THERE WAS THIS INCREDIBLE YOU ARE -- EUPHORIA. PEOPLE WERE OVERWHELMED WITH EMOTION, REALLY. EUPHORIA. PEOPLE WERE OVERWHELMED WITH EMOTION, REALLY. EUPHORIA. PEOPLE WERE OVERWHELMED WITH EMOTION, REALLY. ALMOST EVERYONE WAS EMBRACING AND WEEPING WITH SECURITY FORCES OR SOLDIERS BECAUSE THEY WERE GRATEFUL TO BE FREE BUT THAT WAS BITTERSWEET BECAUSE AS THE RUSSIANS LEFT KHERSON, THEY DESTROYED THE ELECTRICITY, COMMUNICATIONS, THE WATER SUPPLY. SO PEOPLE INCLUDING ALL THE JOURNALISTS COVERING THE SITUATION HAVE BEEN LIVING WITHOUT WATER, ELECTRICITY, HEAT AND IT'S EXTREMELY COLD BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONFLICTED BECAUSE OF COURSE, THEY SAY WELL, THERE ARE NO RUSSIANS WHICH THEY ARE HAPPY ABOUT BUT IT'S DIFFICULT. >> WE SPOKE BACK IN MARCH AFTER THIS YEAR AND AT THAT TIME YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD FEND AS EVIDENCE RUSSIANS ARE TARGETING CIVILIANS. I KNOW SITUATIONS ON THE GROUND IN THE PLACES YOU VISITED FOR THESE MOST RECENT REPORTS ARE DIFFERENT BUT DO YOU STILL FIND THAT'S THE CASE? >> OH, YEAH, AND NOW WE'VE SEEN EVIDENCE OF WAR CRIMES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE'VE SEEN THEM IN THERE. I THINK THEY HAD BEEN KILLED AROUND NOVEMBER 10th AND BODIES WERE PLACED INSIDE OF A BUNKER ESSENTIALLY. THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING ALL OF THE TIME AND CIVILIANS ARE DEFINITELY BEING TARGETED AND I THINK NOW IF YOU TARGET THE INTO STRUCTURE, YOU'RE STILL TARGETING CIVILIANS BECAUSE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ASKING THEM TO LIVE OUT HEAT AND ELECTRICITY IN A COUNTRY THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY COLD. >> THERE IS ONE INDIVIDUAL I'LL MISPRONOUNCE HIS NAME. TELL US ABOUT HIM AND WHAT HAPPENED. >> YEAH, THIS TIME IT SEEMS LIKE RUSSIANS LEARNED FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN BUCCHA AND KHARKIV AND A LOT OF EVIDENCE IS HARDER TO FIND LET SAY SO WE HEARD RUSSIANS WERE BURNING THEIR OWN DEAD SO WE WERE ON THE OUTSKIRTS LOOKING ESSENTIALLY FOR GRAVES OF RUSSIANS AND WE STOPPED AND TALKED TO UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS AND SAID DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS RUMOR AND THEY SAID NO BUT THERE ARE TWO CIVILIANS DEAD ACROSS THE FRONT STREET. WE SAID THAT'S CRAZY. WE WENT ACROSS THE STREET AND SERGEI WALKED UP AT THE SAME TIME AND HE TOLD THE STORY OF HOW HIS FATHER WAS A FARMER AND HE LIVED UNDER OCCUPATION AND HE WAS IN TOUCH WITH HIM WHEN HIS FATHER COULD GET SIGNAL AND ON NOVEMBER 10th HE TRIED TO REACH HIM AND COINCIDED WITH WHEN RUSSIANS WERE PULLING OUT AND MADE HIS WAY DOWN FROM KYIV. IT WAS A TWO TO THREE DAY JOURNEY WHEN HE GOT THERE, HE WENT TO HIS HOME THERE WERE UKRAINIANS AND HE SAID DID YOU SEE MY FATHER? HE SAID NO BUT ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS A SMALL WOODEN CROSS NEAR A BUNKER AND HE WENT AND OF COURSE, VERY WISELY HE CALLED THE DEMINERS FIRST BECAUSE WHEN THE RUSSIANS LEFT, THEY LEFT EVERYTHING MINED AND BOOBY TRAPPED AND HE RECOGNIZED THE FEET AND LEGS OF HIS FATHER AND THE CANE OF HIS GRANDMOTHER AND HAD TO WAIT FOR THE PROSECUTOR TO SEND A TEAM OF POLICE TO COME AND DO A PROPER EXAMINATION TO IDENTIFY THE WOUNDS AND DO A SORT OF AUTOPSY ON THE GROUND THERE SO THAT TOOK TWO WEEKS SO ESSENTIALLY HIS FATHER AND GRAND MOTHER LAY DEAD IN THIS BUNKER FOR TWO WEEKS AND HE HAD TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BE EXHUMED SO HE COULD GIVE THEM A PROPER BURIAL. >> DID HE HAVE AN IDEA HOW THEY DIED? >> BOTH HAD BULLET WOUNDS TO THE HEAD. HIS FATHER HAD SEVERAL BULLET WOUNDS ALL OVER HIS BODY AND APPARENTLY HIS FATHER WAS KILLED FIRST AND THE GRANDMOTHER FOUND IN HER FLIP-FLOPS OR SLIPPERS ON TOP OF HER SON SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THAT SCENE LOOKED LIKE IN THE FINAL MOMENTS THAT PROBABLY AND I'M GUESSING THE MOTHER CAME OUT BECAUSE SHE HEARD HER SON AND SHE WAS ALSO EXECUTED. >> ANOTHER THING PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING IN THE WAKE OF THE WITHDRAWAL IS TORTURE CHAMBERS. WHAT EVIDENCE DID YOU SEE OF THAT? >> I MEAN, WE VISITED SEVERAL. THERE ARE ZIP TIES AND ROPES HANGING. THERE ARE FIELD PHONES OFTEN USED TO GIVE ELECTRICAL SHOCK TO PEOPLE SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM PEOPLE TORTURED AND HELD THAT THEY WERE SHOCKED WITH ELECTRICITY AND THEY'RE USED WITH ARMY FIELD PHONES AND ADMINISTER ENOUGH CURRENT SO THEY DON'T KILL THEM OR TRY NOT TO KILL THEM BUT THEY PUT THEM IN EXTREME AMOUNTS OF PAIN. AND SO WE SAW THESE PLACES OFTEN IN POLICE STATIONS AND ONE OF THE PLACES WE VISITED WAS IN A NORMAL BUILDING BUSINESS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND RESIDENTS UPSTAIRS AND THE BASEMENT WAS A TORTURE CHAMBER. THERE WERE DIFFERENT CELLS AND CARVINGS ON THE WALMARTING HOW LONG PEOPLE HAD BEEN HELD THERE AND PEOPLE DRAWING PICTURES ETCHING THEIR HOMES INTO THE WALLS. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THEIR MINDS. >> THE PICTURES YOU HAVE TAKEN OF TORTURE CHAMBERS AND SHALLOW GRAVES, THESE COULD EASILY BE EVIDENCE OF WAR CRIMES BUT BESIDES YOU AND THE FOREIGN PRESS, WHAT EFFORTS ARE MADE TO PRESERVE THIS AND CATALOG THIS AND MAKE A CASE IN THE FUTURE? >> THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER. THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE TEAMS OF PROSECUTORS ON THE GROUND EVERY TIME A PLACE IS LIB RATED AND FOR EXAMPLE IN KHERSON I WAS WORKING DAILY WITH THE PROSECUTOR ON THE GROUND FROM THE DAY AFTER THE CITY FELL AND HE TOLD ME THEY DO INTERVIEWS AND HAVE TEAMS AROUND THE REGION AND, YOU KNOW, HE KEPT SAYING OKAY, IN THIS PLACE THERE WILL BE A 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL OR OF A YOUNG GIRL. THEY -- BUT THAT TOOK TWO WEEKS BECAUSE IT WAS RAINING AND FOR WANTING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD THE PROPER TEAM TO DO IT CORRECTLY SO THAT EVERYTHING IN THE WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL CHECKS OUT. THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT IS BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY DO THINGS AND THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE FACT THEY WILL NOT LEFT THIS GO AND NOR WILL THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. >> ONE OF THE OTHER SETS OF PHOTOGRAPHS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS A SITUATION I DON'T THINK MUCH OF THE WORLD IS WATCHING. YOU RECENTLY TRAVELED TO SOMALIA AND START WITH A LIST OF REASONS WHY THE PEOPLE ARE IN THE STRAIGHTS THEY'RE IN BETWEEN CIVIL CONFLINGT AND FAMINE BUT TELL US WHERE YOU WENT AND WHAT YOU SAW. >> YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR AS WE KNOW HAS BEEN DOMINATED WITH UKRAINE BUT BEFORE I WAS COVERING CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE CHANGE AND CONFLICT AND FOR ME, THE HORN OF AFRICA IS FACING ONE OF THE WORST DROUGHTS IN THE PAST 40 YEARS. SOMALIA IS A COUNTRY AS YOU MENTIONED THAT'S BEEN LIVED WITH CONFLICT, DROUGHT, AND NOW WITH THE WAR IN UKRAINE. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LACK OF WHEAT AND GRAINS BEING EXPORTED FROM UKRAINE BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT SO LESS FOOD GETTING TO AFRICA. THERE IS INFLATION. SO THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS LEADING TO THE DIRE SITUATION IN SOMALIA RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU HAVE IS ABOUT 2 MILLION PEOPLE ARE FACING EMERGENCY LEVELS AND 200,000 FACING CATASTROPHIC LEVELS OF FOOD SHORTAGES PHENOMENON SO I STARTED IN THE NORTH AND THERE ARE OVER IS MILLION PEOPLE DISPLACED WITHIN SOMALIA BECAUSE OF THIS DROUGHT AND BECAUSE OF CONFLICT OF COURSE. YOU SEE THE CARCASSES OF DEAD ANIMALS EVERYWHERE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY NOTE WORTHY BECAUSE PEOPLE IN SOMALIA DEPEND ON THEIR ANIMALS. THEY DEPEND ON THEM FOR MILK. FOR FOOD, FOR SUBSTANCE. WHEN YOU SEE ANIMALS DIEING THAT IS NOTE WORTHY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE THEIR ANIMALS ARE DYING. >> YOU TALKED TO A WOMAN NAMED EDOBA. TELL ME ABOUT HER. >> I WAS WORK INCOME A CAMP FOR DISPLACED. YOU HAVE TO WORK VERY QUICKLY. YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES, 40 MINUTES ON THE GROUND. I HEARD THERE WAS A CHILD, A 4-YEAR-OLD CHILD WHO HAD JUST DIED THAT MORNING FROM MALNUTRITION. I WENT TO THAT CAMP. I MET ADABA. I WAS SPEAKING TO HER. SHE SAID YES, HE HAD MEASLES AND MALNUTRITION AND HE WAS SO WEAK BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN HUNGRY FOR SO LONG AND THEN I SAID HOW MANY CHILDREN DO YOU HAVE? SHE SAID WELL, LESS THAN A MONTH AGO I LOST TWO SEASONS IN THE VILLAGE DUE TO MALNUTRITION AND DECIDED TO LEAVE MY VILLAGE AND COME ON THIS DANGEROUS JOURNEY BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING AND PASSING THROUGH TERRITORY TO GET WHETHER AID AGENCIES, I WAS WORKING WITH SAVE THE CHILDREN AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY TWO SONS DIED IN THE VILLAGE. I SAID I HAVE TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GET FOOD SO NO ONE ELSE DIES AND SHE GOT TO A CAMP AND HER THIRD SON DIED. THAT'S THREE CHILDREN IN ONE MONTH. >> IT'S HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO VISUALIZE WHAT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF STARVATION MEAN. WE CAN SAY CATASTROPHIC, WE CAN SAY FAMINE. HOW MUCH FOOD OR WATER DOES THIS WOMAN HAVE ACCESS TO WHEN SHE'S NOT IN A SAVE THE CHILDREN CAMP. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LIFE LIKE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO LIVE IN SUCH CONDITIONS? >> WELL, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE CATTLE -- I MEAN, ABOUT THE ANIMALS. A LOT OF PEOPLE I INTERVIEWED HAD 200 ANIMALS, GOATS, SHEEP, YOU KNOW, AND THEN DOWN TO 30 AND WHAT DO YOU DO AS YOUR SOURCE OF MILK AND FOOD THAT FEEDS YOUR CHILDREN DIES OFF BECAUSE THERE IS NO WATER? THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CATTLE WHO ARE THEN DEPENDENT ON PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE THEM OR SELL THEM MILK, THEY ALSO LEAVE THE AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO IN SEARCH OF WATER BECAUSE THERE IS NO RAIN AND SO I THINK A LOT OF FAMILIES I INTERVIEWED, I SAID WHAT ARE YOU EATING? POURAGE. THE WATER SOURCE IS NOT CLEAN. THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS. SOMETIMES THEY MOVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE SAVE THE CHILDREN AND MERCY CORE ARE THERE PROVIDING WATER OR FOOD. THERE ARE WATER TRUCKS COMING AND FILLING GIANT BLATT EVER -- BLADDERS WITH WATER SO PEOPLE CAN DRINK WATER BUT HARD TO IMAGINE ONE MOTHER SAID SHE GIVES HER CHILDREN ONE MEAL A DAYWATER SO PEOPLE CAN DRINK WATER BUT HARD TO IMAGINE ONE MOTHER SAID SHE GIVES HER CHILDREN ONE MEAL A DAY. THAT'S IT AND IT'S USUALLY PORAGE. >> IS THERE A SENSE THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER? >> NO. THIS IS -- THERE HAVE BEEN CONSECUTIVE FAILED RAINY SEASONS THIS PAST RAINY SEASON ALSO FAILED. EVEN IF IT RAINS A SPRINKLE IN SOMEPLACE THAT IS NOT GOING TO UNDO YEARS OF DROUGHT AND SO NO, IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER AT ALL. >> WHETHER IT'S IN SOMALIA OR UKRAINE OR ANY OTHER PLACES, HOW DO YOU CREATE THE MENTAL DISTANCE NECESSARY TO FUNCTION WHEN YOU SEE AS A MOM THAT COULD BE YOUR KID HAD YOUR CHILD NOT BEEN BORN WHERE THEY WERE, RIGHT? IT'S SOME OF THE IMAGERY IS SO HAUNTING WHEN PEOPLE CONNECT WITH THAT HUMAN BEING THAT'S IN THE IMAGE BUT THERE YOU ARE, YOU CAN FEEL HER GRIEF. HOW DO YOU KEEP WORKING THROUGH THAT? >> LOOK, I CRY ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M WORKING AND I GET REALLY EMBARRASSED BECAUSE I THINK OH, I HAVE TO BE TOUGHER AND OFTEN I DON'T WANT TO CRY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE PERSON I'M PHOTOGRAPHING TO REALIZE THEIR SITUATION IS AS BAD AS IT IS. YOU KNOW, SO I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO COLLECT MYSELF BUT OF COURSE, THE FIRST THING I'M THINKING OF WHEN I APPROACH A WOMAN LIKE HER IS IT'S SO UNFAIR. YOU KNOW, SHE HAS THIS LIFE BECAUSE SHE WAS BORN IN A PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE WHEN FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I WAS BORN IN AMERICA, I HAVE ACCESS TO FOOD AND WATER AND SHELTER AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK. THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT I WANT FOR A LIVING AND MAKE MY OWN MONEY AND MOST PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD DO NOT HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME TO DO THIS WORK YEAR AFTER YEAR NO MATTER HOW DEVASTATING IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T -- I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S FAIR. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH INJUSTICE IN THIS WORLD AND I JUST HOPE THAT SOMETIMES THESE STORIES WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> THANKS SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.