Amanpour and Company

DOES THE UNITED STATES AND THE ALLIANCE FACE AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS? OR IS IT JUST ANOTHER MONDAY IN A VERY DISRUPTIVE TRUMP-LED WORLD? >> I THINK IT MAY BE THE FORMER. WE HAVE ALMOST TOO MANY CRISES AT ONCE. CRISES AROUND THE WORLD, AN ECONOMIC CRISIS, THE PANDEMIC, AND TENSION SPOTS IN THE WORLD. TENSIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CHINA, IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THE CHINA, INDIA HAVE BEEN EXCHANGING SHOTS. SOMETIMES YOU THINK, THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS HAPPENING AT ONCE. AND I THINK IT IS A VERY WORRYING TIME, ACTUALLY. >> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT CAN LEARN FROM THE HISTORICAL PARALLELS? WOODROW WILSON WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC. DURING THE FLU EPIDEMIC. WHAT IS THERE FOR A LEADER, SUCH A POWERFUL COUNTRY, BEING ILL, IN THIS MAELSTROM THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND HOW DO YOU SEE THE WAY OUT MORE THAN A CENTURY LATER? >> WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME FAITH IN THE INSTITUTIONS, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE ABLE TO CARRY THE BURDEN. AND I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT WHEN WOODROW WILSON WAS SICK. OTHERS COULD STEP IN. THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WENT ON. AND WHEN THE PRIME MINISTER HAD FLU, HE HAD A STRONG CABINET. SO THERE WERE INSTITUTIONS AND PEOPLE ABLE TO STEP IN. I THINK THIS IS A REAL TEST OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS, AND THEY ARE STRONG INSTITUTIONS, WE HAVE TO HOME THAT THEY CAN PICK UP SOME OF THE SLACK AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. I THINK IN THESE SITUATIONS, LEADERSHIP MATTERS A LOT. WHEN A CO-LEADER GETS SICK, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO WORRY. >> SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I MENTIONED TO MY OTHER GUEST. PEOPLE ARE HOOK FROM OVERSEAS. AND BASICALLY SAYING, EITHER TO THEMSELVES OR THEIR FRIENDS, IF NOT OUT LOUD, THE PRESIDENT, THE FACT THAT HE GOT THIS, HIS TREATMENT IN THE UNITED STATES, HIS BUNGLED L D LEADERSHIP. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? GO AHEAD. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT SHOWS THE POWER OF WISHFUL THINKING. IT ALSO SHOWS THE LIMITS. THERE IS A REALITY AND A VIRUS AND THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS WHO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. I THINK THEY'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH IT IN A WAY THEY DIDN'T THINK