Amanpour and Company

>> YES. VERY LUCKY TO MEET THE ACTUAL MOHAMADOUE AND WE MARVEL THAT HE COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH SO MUCH, LIVED THROUGH SO MUCH, SO MUCH DAMAGE, AND, YOU KNOW, TORTURE PSYCHOLOGICALLY, SEXUALLY, JUST IN EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE AND YET TO EMERGE AS SUCH A FULL HUMAN AND SUCH A GENTLE, SWEET, AFFECTIONATE, FUNNY, TEASING GUY. HE DID COME TO CAPETOWN WHERE WE WERE SHOOTING. HE WAS -- IT WAS THE ONLY VISA HE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO GET. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS KEPT HIM FROM HAVING VISAS TO LEAVE ANYWHERE. AND HE GOT TO HANG OUT WITH NANCY AND THEY GOT TO SEE THE PENGUINS AND VISIT ROBIN ISLAND AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN CAPE TOWN AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. IT FELT VERY HEALING. IT FEELS TO ME LIKE IT IS VERY HEALING FOR HIM TO SEE THE MOVIE IS MADE AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED IT. >> WOW. ROBIN ISLAND OF COURSE THE PRISON WHERE NELSON MANDELA WAS FOR MOST OF HIS 28-YEAR INCARCERATION. THAT MUST HAVE BEEN PRETTY AMAZING. LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOU, YOU TWO, THE WAY YOU'VE TEAMED UP. JODIE, WHAT WAS IT, I KNOW THAT NANCY WROTE AN OP-ED ABOUT WHY SHE DEFENDS EVEN TERRORISTS. AND YOU -- THAT MEANT A LOT TO YOU EVEN BEFORE THIS FILM WAS A REALITY. >> YES, NANCY IS REALLY QUITE A HERO. SHE BELIEVES IN THE RULE OF LAW AND BELIEVES IN THE CONSTITUTION AND SHE BELIEVES THAT EVERYBODY DESERVES A DEFENSE AND IT'S BEEN HER MISSION TO PROVIDE THAT AND THAT MEANS CHALLENGING GOVERNMENTS AND CHALLENGING AUTHORITY. AND I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK THAT AS NOBLE A MISSION THAT IS AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS I THINK IT TAKES A TOLL ON SOMEBODY. YOU KNOW, SHE'S GIVEN SO MUCH SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A JUST SYSTEM. >> NANCY HOLLANDER, YOU DID WRITE THIS ARTICLE IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES," AN OP-ED. >> AT THAT TIME, I WROTE THAT, I THINK IT WAS CHENEY WHO SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE REPRESENTING THESE PEOPLE. THERE WERE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS SAID YOU SHOULDN'T REPRESENT THESE TERRORISTS. AND IT JUST MADE ME SO ANGRY. AND AS JODIE AS ME SAYS IN THE MOVIE, WHICH IS WHAT I WROTE, NOBODY EVER COMPLAINED WHEN I REPRESENTED PEOPLE WHO DID HORRIBLE THINGS -- MURDERS, RAPING BABIES. NOBODY EVER ACCUSED ME -- AND YET WE WERE BEING ACCUSED THE LAWYERS WHO REPRESENTED PEOPLE IN GUANTANAMO -- OF SOMEHOW BEING LIKE THEM. AND IT INFURIATED ME. I THINK THAT PIECE WAS SOME OF MY BEST WRITING ACTUALLY BECAUSE I WAS SO ANGRY WHEN I SAT DOWN AND WROTE IT.