Frederica Freyberg:
Governor Evers, thanks very much for joining us.

Gov. Tony Evers:
Great to be here, Frederica.

Frederica Freyberg:
So describe for us what you count as your biggest accomplishments of the past year.

Gov. Tony Evers:
Oh, there's a couple that come to mind. First of all, shared revenue was a huge bipartisan win, bipartisan win for the state of Wisconsin. I spent a lot of time when I was running for office talking about it every single day, all day long. And, you know, it's kind of a thing that most people shared revenue, what is it, that sort of thing. But at the end of the day, most local, most of the heavy lifting from government happens at the local level, not the state or federal level. And so we worked on that and, you know, compromised, and got some things through which it was a huge win, huge win for the people of Wisconsin. Whether it's fire, EMT, public libraries, you name it. Another one that it doesn't get much attention, but we have the largest amount of money for affordable housing ever in the state of Wisconsin. Everybody talks about it, whether you're a town, a town of 50 or a town of 50 million, the issue of affordable housing is critical. And we've got not enough money to solve it, but it was a real breakthrough operation. So those two things, and frankly, our state government is healthy. You know, we have lots of money in our rainy day funds. And the economy in Wisconsin is good. Low unemployment, high employment rate. And so I feel good about where we are. I mean, clearly we've got a long way to go.

Frederica Freyberg:
So what is the state surplus right now? Is it 7 billion?

Gov. Tony Evers:
Seven billion with a B, that's right. And that's why we should be utilizing some of these monies to do things like bolster our childcare situation in Wisconsin. It's a national thing, but we can take care of some of that here. That in and of itself is gonna have a huge impact on our economy and the state. If people have to leave the workforce in order to take care of their children, that's a thing. And it's a big thing. So yes, we have the resources to do some really extraordinarily important things.

Frederica Freyberg:
Since we last spoke, the state Supreme Court has thrown out the existing voting district maps. What is your expectation that new maps will be in place for this year's elections?

Gov. Tony Evers:
We can get it done. I mean, the last time we went through this, where we ended up with the maps we have now, we had the same kind of shortage of timeline. We had to get things done, we had to get things into the courts. It was the same thing. The Legislature had their maps, I had mine. Nobody could agree. We had to go to the Supreme Court back then. And all that happened in the same timeline. We can get this done. Well, we have to get it done. And so I'm looking forward to having maps that are reflective of the purple type of state that we are. And frankly, we can have more competitive races. It's good for voters and it's gonna be good for our state.

Frederica Freyberg:
The Republicans wanna take it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, what about that?

Gov. Tony Evers:
I think that's a stretch. I mean, you hear that on a regular basis that something's gonna go to the Supreme Court, whether it's this or something else. The last time we were there, the Supreme Court had some concerns about the Voting Rights Act, and that caused our maps to be thrown out. But, so, we are very cognizant of the Voting Rights Act. We're not gonna be violating it. And we can get this done. If it goes to the Supreme Court, last time they said, "We did our work, you do your work back at the state level." State is the place where this has to be resolved. So I can't imagine the Supreme Court has changed that much in just a handful of years that they're gonna say, "Well, we changed our mind about that." So I'm guessing some people will try to take it to the Supreme Court. They'll either not take it or send it back.

Frederica Freyberg:
And so you feel confident that there will be new maps that will be better for Democrats in the year--

Gov. Tony Evers:
Better for democracy. You know, we are, I won this landslide race a few year, or a year ago with 3% of the population difference, voting population. So I feel confident that we are a bonafide purple state. The Legislature clearly doesn't reflect that. So having more competitive races is good for democracy and good for the people of Wisconsin.

Frederica Freyberg:
The Wisconsin high court is also expected to have to consider the state abortion law after a lower court ruling. Coming into this election year, in your mind, how resonant does the issue of abortion remain with voters?

Gov. Tony Evers:
A lot of uncertainty, especially with our opponent, or with the Republican Party talking about, well, maybe it should be a six week, or a 12 week, or whatever. Right now we are back to where we were before Roe was thrown out by the federal government, federal SCOTUS. So we are where we were at then. It's that they wanna take away people's rights. Six to 12 weeks is taking away people, women's ability to reproductive health. And that is just not acceptable. I think people are gonna be concerned about that, and it's gonna be a big part of this next election.

Frederica Freyberg:
Your administration filed a lawsuit over Republican legislators refusing to approve the pay raises before eventually kind of extracting restrictions on diversity, equity, and inclusion at the Universities of Wisconsin. They got their salary increases after that. But now that the UW Board of Regents bent to these demands, is that lawsuit moot, or are there other arguments?

Gov. Tony Evers:
It is absolutely not moot. There's all sorts of situations like that where what, where decisions are made that are either not state law or are state law. But that was a perfect example. We had a budget, we passed the budget, the budget was set. We had 4%, or whatever the percent increase was. That should've been done, instead of, how can you negotiate against what's in state law? And that's exactly what they did. In the same vein, the Republicans in the budget had issues around DEI, to clamp down on that. I vetoed that. They couldn't override that veto. Again, the idea that somehow they can bypass the executive branch on that is just unacceptable. I anticipate winning that race, or winning that case in court. And bring some sanity to what's going on between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

Frederica Freyberg:
Speaking of which, in a recent interview that we conducted with Speaker Robin Vos, he said of you "He is an absentee governor who's very uninvolved in the process." Saying that you don't meet with them and you simply sign things that they have worked on. Noting shared revenue and the Brewers' funding stadium package. What's your response to that?

Gov. Tony Evers:
Typical. [laughs] Typical. He understands, I believe, and if he doesn't, not all of the executive branch, and not, certainly not my job, is to just hang out in the Capitol waiting for him to come up with something that we can all talk about and be happy about. My job is to be visible to people all across the state of Wisconsin, listen to what their needs are. I'm not a Legislature, I'm part of the executive branch. So, you know, it is what it is. He can believe what he believes, I'll believe what I believe. I believe my job is to make sure that, yes, I'm at the Capitol and I need to be at the Capitol. But other than that, I'm gonna be on the road, listening to people, talking to small business owners, talking to people in public schools, doing the good work of what the governor does. And if he doesn't like it, frankly, I don't care. I talked about shared revenue being a thing long time before he did. And, by God, we got it done. People in the local governments know where it started from. And it started with me talking about it, not Robin Vos. In fact, I can't remember the last time he did talk about it. He is what he is. I'm who I am. And that's the way it goes.

Frederica Freyberg:
Are you willing to compromise with Republican lawmakers over PFAS mitigation by way of limiting the DNR'S authority, which they seek?

Gov. Tony Evers:
Yeah, that's a problem. I mean, we have money in the budget. That was a bipartisan effort to get that into the budget. Now we have to figure out how to distribute that money. I am concerned that the present bill, which we haven't seen yet, and so I'm reluctant to to talk about it because who knows what it's gonna look like before it gets to my desk. But it does not give the authority to the the Department of Natural Resources to get the work done. And that's a problem. I think that the DNR plays a role in this, that's their job. And that's why we've actually asked the joint finance community to release the money and let the DNR do their work. This is important work. And the more we mess around with it, the more problem we're gonna have. So I'm concerned that they're using this as an opportunity to essentially not have any accountability for who's accountable for this. And back in the days when other things happened in the state of Wisconsin, we held people accountable. There's no interest in doing that. We have to have the Department of Natural Resources in the position to make sure that people are held accountable.

Frederica Freyberg:
Because what do you want people of Wisconsin who are suffering with PFAS contamination to know about whether or not the legislature and the executive branch can come together to disperse this money to help?

Gov. Tony Evers:
Right. Yeah, that's, if I was living on French Island you know, outside of La Crosse, I would be wondering the same thing. I am more than willing to compromise on this, but we have to have people held accountable. And one of those ways, frankly, is with the Department of Natural Resources. This should be an easy, easy thing to do. And hopefully we'll get there.

Frederica Freyberg:
All right, Governor Tony Evers, thanks very much.

Gov. Tony Evers:
Good to see you again, thanks.