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>> WELCOME TO THIS NOON WEDNESDAY EXTRA. ONCE AGAIN, I AM MARISA WOJCIK, MULTIMEDIA JOURNALIST WITH HERE AND KNEW ON PBS WISCONSIN. WE ARE CONTINUING COVERAGE OF LOCAL RESPONSES TO THE GUILTY VERDICT OF FORMER MINNEAPOLIS OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN FOR THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, AS WELL AS WHERE WISCONSIN STANDS IN TERMS OF POLICE REFORM. WE ARE JOINED BY A REPRESENTATIVE, SHEILA STUBBS, AND COULD COCHAIR ON RACIAL DISPARITIES. THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS FOR MAKING THE TIME FOR US TODAY. >> I WANT TO START ASKING YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN THE GUILTY VERDICT CAME DOWN YESTERDAY. >> FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS INTERVIEW ON TODAY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, YESTERDAY I WAS -- IT WAS A MIXED EMOTIONAL DAY. I WAS ACTUALLY WITH MY MOTHER, WHO'S 74. MY TEN YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND MY TWO NIECES, ONE THAT'S ABOUT 8 AND 13. AND IT WAS JUST A MIXED EMOTION. YESTERDAY, IN FACT, I CRIMED BECAUSE FOR SO LONG YOU WATCHED SO MANY FAMILIES GO THROUGH THIS CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND WE NEVER FEEL LIKE THERE IS ANY SCCOTT OF JUSTICE GATHERING SO MUCH INFORMATION, AND STILL LIKE NO MATTER WHAT, OR NO MATTER HOW MUCH EVIDENCE THERE IS, THE COMMUNITY ALWAYS FEELS LIKE THERE IS NO JUSTICE SO YESTERDAY, IT WAS FIRST IMPORTANT FOR ME TO PROCESS THAT. MR. GEORGE FLOYD SHOULD BE ALIVE TODAY. AND MY GOAL IS NOT JUST TO HOLD POLICE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT TO ENSURE THAT POLICE VIOLENCE DOES NOT CONTINUE TO IMPACT ANY COMMUNITY. BUT IN ADDITION, IT WAS A MOMENT TO LITERALLY TAKE A DEEP BREATH, AND PROCESS WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. AND I THOUGHT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MY FAMILY. BUT TO WATCH PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD COME TOGETHER A PLACE OF RELIEF, AND IN FACT, I AM SO GRATEFUL WITH THAT DECISION, BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT NEWS REPORTERS SPEAKING. AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THANK GOD THAT VERDICT CAME OUT THE WAY THAT IT DID BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THE CITY WOULD BE TORN APART. THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY COULD SLEEP. IT WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. I ALMOST REALLY GRATEFUL AND MY HEART GOES OUT STILL TO THE FLOYD FAMILY. IT'S A START, BUT WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO IN THIS FIGHT FOR JUSTICE HOW MEANINGFUL WAS TO HAVE SO MANY GENERATIONS WITH YOU WHEN THAT NEWS CAME OUT? >> IT WAS SO MEANING FULL. MY DAUGHTER WAS WITH ME WHEN I HAD MY UNFORTUNATE PROFILE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN 2018. I WAS ABLE TO PROCESS WITH HER YESTERDAY. SHE AND I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE CASE AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK IN HER EYES. SHE HAD TEARS AS WELL. BUT TO UNDERSTAND WHY MOMMY WAS FEELING THE WAY THAT MOMMY WAS FEELING. MY MOTHER, BEING A GREAT CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST FOR 50 YEARS SAID FINALLY WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE JUSTICE HAPPEN. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE OFFICER COVER IN BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND THAT JUSTICE WAS DELIVERED, AND THE CASE WAS MORE IMPORTANT, AND THAT WE KNOW THAT WE MUST BEGAIN TO WORK ON OUR REFORMS, AND OUR POLICING PRACTICES., IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR STATE -- BECAUSE I LIVE IN WISCONSIN, TO MAKE WISCONSIN A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYONE. IN FACT YESTERDAY, I WAS IN THE STATE CAPITAL WORKING ON THE TASK FORCE SUBCOMMITTEE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND STANDARDS COMMITTEE FROM 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO 2, AND WE COMPLETED OUR WORK, AND LEFT THE CAPITOL ARES I HEARD THAT THE VERDICT WOULD BE HAPPENING WITHIN AN HOUR. SO IT WAS A VERY MIX THE EMOTIONAL DAY FOR ME, GIVEN THAT I AM IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO WRITE THE POLICY, AND I AM IN A UNIQUE POSITION, BECAUSE I REPRESENT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT HAVE BEEN A PLAGUED WITH POLICE BRUTALITY. >> THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, AND THE SUBSEQUENT WAVE OF PROTESTS PRECEDE HE HAD THE CREATION OF THIS TASK FORCE. HOW HAS THE PROGRESSION OF THIS PAST YEAR, AND SPECIFICALLY THE TRIAL GENERAL FLEWENTIALSED THE WORK OF THE TASK FORCE AND OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICIES AND STANDARDS? >> YEAH, SO ABSOLUTELY. SO OUR TASK FORCE ACTUALLY STARTED BACK AUGUST 31ST OF LAST YEAR. GOVERNOR EVERS ASKED FOR A SPECIAL SESSION, AND IT ASKED BECAUSE OF THE JACOB BLAKE CASE IN WISCONSIN, KENOSHA, AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN CONTROL, AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIAL SESSION. THEY GAVELLED IN, AND LEFT IT VACANT. AT THAT TIME I WAS ASKED TO BE A COCHAIR. I WENT HOME AND PRAYED ABOUT IT. WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PROTESTERS, AND COMMUNITY WOULD BE BROUGHT IN THAT SPACE, OUR PASTORS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS, OUR COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS WOULD BE ABLE TO COME INTO THAT SPACE, AND REALLY BRING TRUTH TO THE REALITY. SO AS WE'VE DONE OUR WORK FOR SEVEN SEVEN MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER WHEN THE VERDICT OF THE JACOB BLAKE CASE HAPPENED. OUR TASK FORCE CONTINUED TO MEET DURING THE VERDICT OF THE BREONNA TAYLOR CASE, AND OUR TASK FORCE HAD COMPLETED OUR WORK AN HOUR BEFORE THE VERDICT IN THE GEORGE ARE FLOYD CASE. THESE ARE SUCH HUGE NATIONAL TRAGEDIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AND AT PRESSURE THAT I FELT WHEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THE ROOM. YOU WOULD SEE -- I HAVE A BEEN OUT AT PROTESTS AND I HAVE TO COME IN THAT ROOM AS A CHAIR PERSON. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I TAKE WHAT I HEAR IN THE STREETS AND THE POLICIES AND THE DEMANDS THAT COME INTO THAT ROOM, AND CRAFT LEGISLATION THAT IS MEANINGFUL. SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR THE COMMUNITY STANCE, THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, AND WE'VE GOT TO GET TO A PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE BEGIN TO REFORM OUR PRACTICES BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. YESTERDAY'S VERDICT SHOWED ME THAT OFFICER CHAUVIN WAS NOT ABOVE THE LAW, AND I THINK THAT BROUGHT MERIT TO ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE STATE CAPITAL. WE WORKED ON REFORMS AROUND THE CHOKEHOLD. OF COURSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MR. FLOYD, AND HIS FAMILY AND WHAT HAPPENED. WE WORKED ON POLICY ON THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT. OF COURSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE BREONNA TAYLOR FAMILY, AND WE ESCAPED WITH TAMIKA MALOREY WHO'S BEEN A NATIONAL ACTIVIST AROUND THIS WORK, AND WE LOOKED AT WORK ACROSS THE STATE, WISCONSIN, AND THE COUNTRY, AS WE BEGAN TO CRAFT OUR PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS >> THE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FINAL REPORT WAS RELEASED TODAY FROM THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS DO YOU SEE AS IMPERATIVE FOR THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND FOR THE SAFETY OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY? >> WELL, MANY FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD SAY THAT EVERY RECOMMENDATION IS IMPORTANT. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT REPORT, THERE'S ONE OF THE ACTUAL YEARS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IS ONE THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO ME H UNNECESSARILY SUMMONING OF A POLICE OFFICER WHICH WAS CREATED BECAUSE OF MY PROFILE INCIDENT IN WISCONSIN. EVERY BILL IS RELATABLE, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE TOPICS IS SO IMPORTANT. THERE IS A TOP THAT I CAN WE DID NOT COMPLETE. SO THE USE OF FORCE IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS. WE COULD NOT AS A TASK FORCE COME UP WITH ONE UNIFIED DEFINITION. IN FACT, WE SPENT SEVERAL MEETINGS IN THAT, AND YESTERDAY, WE SPENT FROM TEN IN THE MORNING TO TWO IN THE AFTERNOON, STILL TRYING TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITION, AND IT WAS ONE WORD THAT REALLY WAS DIVIDING THE ROOM, WHICH IS PROPORTIONALITY, AND THAT CAME FROM NEW JERSEY ATTORNEY GENERAL'S WORK, AND THAT WE DECIDE TODAY START UP WITH ANOTHER WORK GROUP THAT IS MADE UP OF SOME OF THE SAME TASK FORCE EXPERTS, AND BRINGING IN THE EXPERTS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, AND TRYING TO GETTING A DEFINED DEFINITION. BUT I THINK THAT USE OF FORCE IS A TOP NOTCH BILL THAT WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT ACROSS THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. I WAS WATCHING THAT COMMITTEE MEETING YESTERDAY, AND SUBSEQUENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS YOU'VE HAD THEM OVER THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS. IT'S MADE UP OF LAWMAKERS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND DIVERGED ON SOME THINGS AS THE DEFINITION OF USE OF FORCE AS WELL AS QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. QUITE FRANKLY, ARE THESE OF ISSUES DIFFICULT TO DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT LIVED THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING BLACK IN AMERICA AND IN WISCONSIN? >> I THINK THAT IT'S A TUNNEL VISION. IT'S NOT HARD FOR ME TO TALK TO ANYONE. BUT I THINK WHAT WAS IMPORTANT IS TO LISTEN TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT ARE IMPACTED. LISTEN TO VALIDATE ORS OR INFLUENCERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND SAYING HERE'S THE REALITY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT OFTENTIMES LAW ENFORCEMENT GET A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAVE WITH COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS AFTER A MAJOR UNREST OR AFTER SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED. BUT WHEN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATION TAKEN PLACE BEFORE, PRIOR TO THOSE INCIDENCES. SO IT WAS NOT HARD, BUT I THINK THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR EVERY TASK FORCE MEMBER TO SPEAK TRUTH TO WHATEVER THAT ISSUE WAS, AND I THINK THAT YOU HEARD SOME REALLY REALLY PERSONAL CONVERSATION WHICH IS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LEAK TO BE IN A CAR DRIVING DOWN THE STREET BLACK, AND YOUR CELL PHONE IS MISTAKEN AS A GUN. THE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE WHITE. AND SO WE WEREN'T LOOKING FORUM PATH I BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I COULD BEGAIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE, WHY THEY ARE PRESSING ON CERTAIN REFORMS, WHY IS THAT NECESSARY FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR? THERE WERE SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS IN THAT THAT SPACE. IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME THAT IT WORKED AT A TABLE WITH SO MANY DIVERSE GROUPS. BUT THEY ALSO WERE STRETCHED IN A CAPACITY THAT PROBABLY THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAD SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY WHY I AM AT A TABLE EVEN WITH YOU. >> IN THAT ROOM WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS, WE HAD MEMBERS CRYING AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE PROCESS, AND WE HAD MEMBERS YELLING AT DIFFERENT TIMES. AND WE HAD MEMBERS THAT NEEDED TO STRETCH, COME BACK OUT, AND COME BACK IN. WHAT YOU SAW IN-THAT ROOM IS REALITY. IT IS HARD WORK, BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT TOOK THE TASK FORCE, MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME INTO THE CAPITAL AND WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS TO WORK AT A BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION INORDER TO MOVE ANY POLICE REFORMS ACROSS THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. AND I COMMEND EVERYONE OF THE COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT CAME IN THAT ROOM TO TRUST PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD NEVER WORLD WITHKED WITH BEFORE, AND TO TRUST THE PROCESS. THAT IS THE UNDERLYING WORK, IS TRUSTING THE PROCESS, AND THE PROCESS WORKED. >> NOW, AS FAR AS USE OF FORCE, PROPORTIONALITY AND OBJECTIVE REASONABLENESS REASONABLENESS, WERE WERE THOSE TWO THINGS IN THAT DISCUSSION SUCH HAD A DIFFICULT CONSENSUS TO COME TOGETHER? >> SURE. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, SOME OF THE CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THE WORD "PROPORTIONALITY" WHEN IT'S DEFINED BY THE NEW JERSEY ATTORNEY GENERAL IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN MEET WHERE YOU ARE WITH FORCE. FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE STATUTES ARE DEFINE FROM THE SUPREME COURT, AND WE HAVE THE WISCONSIN COURT AND THEN WE HAVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY PROPORTIONALITY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT MEANS EQUAL. SO I CAN MEET YOU WITH EQUAL FORCE, AND THAT IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY COULD NOT EMBRACE THE WORD "PROPORTIONALITY". INSTEAD THEY WANTED TO STAY WITH OBJECTIVE REASONABLENESS, AND TO MEET YOU WITH THE TOTALITY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO USE OF FORCE, AND THEN BRING IN SOMEONE FROM THE TRAINING ROLE, AND SOMEONE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ARES INTO THE SPACE, AND HAD HE BEEN THEM EXPLAIN TO US WHY THESE WORDS ARE SO HARD, AND IT WAS JUST ONE WORD. IN EYE IT IS TO OUR NEXT WORK GROUP WE WILL BE REACHING TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN NEW JERSEY BECAUSE HE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. AND WHAT ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS WANTED TO DO IS TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE WORD "PROPORTIONALITY", AND MAKE IT PART OF THE WISCONSIN STATUTE, AND THAT'S WHEN HE LAW ENFORCEMENT SAID THAT THAT WORD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE STATUTE BUT IT CAN BELONG IN A FOLLOWING SENTENCE BEFORE THE NOT THE STATUTE. SO I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEW JERSEY ATTORNEY GENERAL WROTE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME UNREST. HE WAS PROBABLY RESPOND OF RESPONDING TO HIS COMMUNITY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO HIM. THIS NEXT WORK GROUP WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO HIM. WE SHOULD MEET FOR ABOUT A MONTH, AND THEN COME FORWARD WITH A STAND DISEASED DEFINITION FOR USE OF FORCE. >> TO COME DOWN TO ONE WORD, AND IN THE JACOB BLAKE CASE, THE OFFICER WAS NOT CHARGED BECAUSE THE LAW DID NOT ALLOW FOR IT. THAT'S A HEAVY WHERED YOU TO BE MAKING LAWS, AND IT CAN COME TOWN TO JUST ONE WORD. >> TO JUST ONE WORD. AND I WILL HONEST WITH YOU, THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN THIS TASK FORCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE WILL BE TRANSCENDING AND SENDING THE REFORMS FORWARD FOR THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND WE DON'T KNOW IF AND WHEN IT WOULD CHANGE AGAIN, RIGHT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND PLACING INTO LAW MAKES SENSE, AND MOVES OUR STATE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD FOR THE JACOB BLAKE CASE, OF THE GEORGE FLOYD CASES OF THE BREONNA TAYLOR CASES AND FROM OTHER CASES FROM AROUND THE STATE FROM HAPPENING. SO FOR ME, I WOULD RATHER TAKE IT SLOW, AND EASY AND MAKE SURE HAD A WHAT I AM RECOMMENDING MAKE SENSE, THAN TO BE QUICK, AND FAST AND FURIOUS, AND THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MYSELF AND THE REPRESENT STIFF GO BACK TO OUR CAUCUS US AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TALK TO GOVERNOR EVERS, AND HOPEFULLY GET THE BILLS THROUGH THE ASELL BRILL AND SENATE HOUSE, AND THEN PASSED INTO LAW. >> AND THEN AMOUNT OF US IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN COULD HAVE ANOTHER SIGN OF RELIEF BECAUSE AT LEAST WE PUT THOSE REFORMS ON THE BOOK FOR OUR STATE. >> AND THOSE GET TO MY NEXT QUESTIONS. I SPOKE WITH ANGELA EARLIER TODAY, AND SHE SPOKE OF BIGGER AND BROADER REFORMS. ARE THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES WHAT YOU SEE AS LEADING TO OVERCOME THE SYSTEMIC AND INSTITUTIONAL LICENSED RACISM? >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT THERE'S NO BETTER PERSON THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT ROOM CRAFTING LEGISLATIONS THAN THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS, THERE WAS ONLY TWO ELECT THE OFFICIALS. THERE'S TWO ELECT THE OFFICIALS, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARD COMMITTEE, AND TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH EDUCATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WAS STRATEGICALLY DESIGNED THAT WAY, SO WE CAN HEAR FROM OUTSIDERS AND NOT HAVE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS MOVING FORWARD IN THAT WAY. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SAY IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. BUT WHAT CAN SEE IS YOU SHOW ME AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER, AND BUY PARTISAN SHIP IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN DRAFTING THE LEGISLATION THAT WE DID, AND TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T THINK THAT THIS A LEGISLATION SHOULD MOVE ANYWHERE. WE BROUGHT, LIKE I SAID, COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS THAT WOULD LITERALLY LEAVE OUR TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND LEAD PROTESTING AND BRING THEM IN THE STATES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S HARD. WE HAD SOME HARD TIMES AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER TASK FORCE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WERE. THREE NATIONAL CASES, AND WE STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR WORK. THERE WERE A LOT OF EMOTIONS. THAT'S A LOT OF STRESS. NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THESE CASES, AND AS THINGS GO ON, WEEK STILL MAINTAIN OUR FOCUS. AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SHOW WHO WAS IN THAT ROOM, GOES TO SHOW THE LEADERSHIP THAT WAS BEFORE US. I REALLY MANY HONORED THAT THE SPEAKER VOSS, TRUSTED ME, AND REPETITIVE STEINKE, TO BE THE DEMOCRAT TO GO IN THAT ROOM, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEGISLATION, AND CHOOSE WHO COULD BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, SO WE COULD HAVE THE RIGHT VOICES, MOVE US ONE STEP FURTHER TO LAW. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE HE THE LAW. SO IT'S NOT THERE. SO WE ARE CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE YET. >> DO YOU SEE CHALLENGES AHEAD AS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DO MOVE TOWARDS THE LEGISLATURE, A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE? >> ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES AND OUR GOVERNOR IS A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR. BUT BECAUSE WE WORKED BIPARTISAN WITH COMMUNITY, WHY ON EARTH WOULD OUR COLLEAGUES NOT WANT TO ACCEPT RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SPENT SEVEN MONTHS BECOMING EXPERTS IN THESE TOPICS, AND IN THESE SCENARIOS, AND SO WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS SHARE IT WITH THE CAUCUS, TELL ME WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT AND GET THEM TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT'S THE SAME TRACK THAT STEINKE, IS WORKING ON, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IS INTRODUCING BILLS IN MAY IT AND GETTING THOSE BILLS PASSED HAVE THEM IN THE ASELL WHEN, PASS THEM IN THE ASSEMBLY IN JUNE. HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF JUNE, GOVERNOR EVERS SIGNS THEM INTO LAW. THAT'S THE TRACK THAT REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS IS LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING. EVERY DAY THAT WE ARE SPENDING NOT GETTING THIS DONE IS A DAY TOO LATE. THESE BILLS HAVE TO GET INTRODUCED. THEY HAVE TO GET ON THE BOOKS. THEY NEED TO GET TO OUR CAUCUSES, THEY NEED TO GET INTO THE APRELIMINARY AND THE SENATE HOUSE. THEY NEED TO GET PASSED. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL GOVERNOR EVERS SIGNS THESE BILLS INTO LAW JUST LIKE I CAN'T WAIT WHEN U.S. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS STAND THERE AND SIGN THE GEORGE FLOYD ACT WITH HIS FAMILY INTO LAW. AT THAT MOMENT, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE A LOT OF SCENARIOS FOR PEOPLE ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF COLOR THAT ARE FEELING LIKE THEY ARE NOT BEING HEARD, THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING LOOKED AT IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. WE HAVE THE WORST DISPARITIES IN THE NATION. THIS IS THE WORST STATE TO RAISE A BLACK FAMILY. MILWAUKEE IS THE MOST SEGREGATED CITY IN THE COUNTRY, IN THE NATION. SO IT IS IMPORTANT IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN THAT WE REALLY BEGAN TO ADDRESS THE INEQUITIES THAT EXIST IN EVERY STATE OF A PERSON A LIFE THAT ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. REMEMBER, THIS LEGISLATION WAS DRAFTED WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THAT ROOM. WHO WOULD ARGUE WITH THAT? >> REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MORE YOUR TIME TODAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THIS INTERVIEW YOU, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING BACK TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE THE BILLS INTRODUCED. >> ABSOLUTELY. FOR MORE FROM HERE AND NOW IN PBS, YOU CAN VISIT PADDIES.ORG. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ONCE AGAIN ON NOON WEDNESDAY. >>. THE