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Newton GenNEXT | Move in Day
02/22/18 | 23m 45s | Rating: TV-G
It’s the wrap of another great project. Kevin tours the renovated house with the homeowners. What was once Liz’s childhood home has been transformed into a house for the next generation. Their kids and Joe’s parents arrive to check it out.
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Newton GenNEXT | Move in Day
Kevin
Well, there it is,
Tommy. Tom
Let's check it out.
Kevin
After eight months, thousands of man-hours, and a lot of homeowners' sweat equity, our three-generation project is finally complete. And today we give this house back to the family. What happened to all this plumbing here?
Richard
I've never seen anything like this before.
Roger
There's already rot going on in that trunk.
Kevin
So what have you found up here?
Tom
Well, a bit of a surprise.
Richard
It's really the classic plumber's lament.
Kevin
Nice!
Tom
This one right here is right on.
Kevin
A family that paints together stays together. Nice job.
Richard
Where will a slab like this be used?
The money's in the detail. Richard
That is beautiful.
Kevin
Hi, there.
I'm Kevin O'Connor. Tom
And I'm Tom Silva.
Kevin
And welcome back to "This Old House" here in Newton, Massachusetts, where it is an exciting day as we wrap up this project.
Tom
Yes, that's right. Our project house is complete. And we're on our way to inspect the house and turn it back over to our homeowners Liz and Joe.
Kevin
Another good one, and interesting from a couple of aspects. The first is that Liz actually grew up in this house as a little girl, and when her mother passed away she left it to Joe and Liz,
so it's a family house. Tom
That's right. And we also made an in-law apartment at the top over the garage for Joe's parents to come and stay, and I guess they're gonna visit on a pretty regular basis.
Kevin
So we'll have three generations living in this house
throughout part of the year. Tom
Pretty nice.
Kevin
You know, it was a very tight budget, but despite that, we were able to add -- How many square feet, do you think?
Tom
1,000 to 1,100 square feet of living space.
Kevin
Right, and that's because Liz and Joe actually threw in and helped out quite a bit.
Tom
They worked hard, and they did a lot of little projects.
Kevin
One of my favorite aspects of this project was that we actually partnered with Mike Rowe and his foundation, which has been an inspiration to so many people and to us, and he helped us draw attention to the fact that so few young people are going into the building trades these days.
Tom
Well, you know what? It's getting harder and harder to find somebody to come and work on your house, let alone trying to build a house.
Kevin
Although we did find a few people.
Tom
We -- We did a nationwide search, and we had three apprentices that wanted to come and learn and work hard on the project, and they did. We always want to use the same sample whenever you're cutting anything.
Kevin
And I think they actually enjoyed working
Laughs
Kevin
And I think they learned a lot, too.
Tom
Well, you know what? I enjoyed working with them, 'cause it was great to see their enthusiasm and how much they wanted to work and how much they wanted to learn.
Kevin
All right, there it is. Looking good,
Tommy. Tom
Yes, it does.
Kevin
What do you say we check that out?
Tom
Let's check it out.
Kevin
Wow, the front looks really good.
Tom
Yeah. There's a couple of things out back. I want to check in with Charlie and make sure they get taken care of. Hi,
Liz. Liz
Hey, guys! How are you?
Tom
Good.
The place is looking great. Liz
Thank you.
Kevin
It's a big day for you guys, huh?
It sure is. Tom
All right, well, I got to check on some things out back.
I'll catch you guys later. Liz
All right.
Kevin
But I'm gonna stay with you and get the tour. And let's start in the front room, 'cause this is where it all started eight months ago. You did not do a lot to this room.
Liz
Nope. Our strange fireplace is still here. You can see we took the chimney out, so it's purely decorative, but we stripped off all the paint, and I'm gonna do a little painting in this area here.
Kevin
Not strange anymore. I questioned that decision to keep it, but seeing it stripped, it looks terrific. And you also stripped the top rail and the newel-post here of the balustrade.
Liz
Yep.
Kevin
And we found walnut underneath.
Liz
Yep, and we kept it dark when we restrained it. I think you can still see the grain in there, but I love it. It is beautiful.
Kevin
Great that we can save those original details. This half wall -- not original, and you were thinking of changing it out.
Liz
Phase two.
Everyone has a budget. Liz
Yep.
Kevin
Original floors were saved. They look terrific. Windows could not be, but now we've got some new inserts --
super-efficient. Liz
Right. It's a lot warmer in here, and we don't have any lead.
Okay. Liz
Yeah.
Kevin
And everything is furnished beautifully. You've got something in every corner.
Liz
Yep. Some of it's ours. Some of it is thanks to Chloe, our interior designer on our team. And we have a lot of tough decisions to make
and a lot of good ideas. Kevin
All right. Well, I think the smile says it all, so I'm gonna go check to see if Joe's smiling, as well.
Liz
Great.
Norm
Hey, Charlie. There you are.
Charlie
Hey, Norm.
Norm
Putting the finishing touches on Liz's old bedroom?
We are. Norm
Well, you know, when we got here, there was a closet here, but it came from this wall, which was always there -- only about 16 inches. There's no way that's gonna work, so I see you moved the wall out for a proper closet.
Charlie
We did, and what we did was, we reframed a whole new closet wall, which gave us our depth, and in the process of that, taking it down, there was an old chimney in here. We removed that, and by removing that, Liz had a little special request. We have a pass-through door. The kids can always come back and forth to see each other.
Norm
The kids are gonna love that.
Charlie
And we removed the built-ins.
Norm
Right, and that made the bedroom a little bit bigger.
Charlie
Yep. And the only change in this bedroom is, we removed a window and made the closet deeper. And down here, we converted the little bedroom into a laundry.
Norm
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Charlie
And this is the master suite above the family room.
Norm
Right. And, you know, this door -- This was an old door that we repurposed. Joe, the homeowner, helped me hang in a new jamb. You know, this is a great room.
Plenty of light with all these windows, and I love this hard pine floor.
Charlie
We wanted to match the old floors up here.
Norm
Mm-hmm. Now in here is where I worked with the apprentices to build this wall that actually defines the master bath. And in the master bath, we have this claw-foot tub, which was totally refurbished, but the fixtures here and at the vanity and the shower are all brand-new.
Charlie
They are. And Tommy and Kevin used rigid foam to build a bench, as well as use it on the floor system.
Norm
Right, and these tile floors have radiant heat underneath, which is really nice.
Charlie
Oh, it's gonna keep their toes nice and warm.
Norm
I think so. Our homeowners are gonna enjoy this new, cozy space.
Charlie
Oh, they're gonna love it.
Kevin
One goal for Joe and Liz is to make the house more comfortable for guests -- in particular, Joe's parents, who want to spend more time with the grandkids. And that explains this in-law suite up here above the garage. Hey,
Joe. Joe
Hey, Kevin.
Good to see you. Kevin
Yeah.
Joe
I want you to meet my parents. This is my mom, Sue, and my dad, Joe.
Kevin
Nice to met you guys. Pleasure. And you got some pretty nice space here, huh?
Sue
This is so great. We're so excited.
Kevin
So, where are you coming from when you visit?
South Jersey. Kevin
Ah. So not the kind of trip you can just do back and forth?
Joe Sr.
No,
it's a long ride. Kevin
Okay.
Sue
Yeah. So it's nice to be able to know, when we do drive up here, that we can stay for a little while.
Kevin
Yeah, that's good. Good for the grandkids, good for you guys, and for you, too.
Joe
Good for us, too, yeah. We can send the grandkids up here, and Liz and I can go out to dinner, and who knows when we'll come back?
Kevin
The truth comes out, right? Well, he made you some nice space.
Joe
Yeah, so, we have a nice sitting area on this side, we have a kitchenette with a sink and some cabinets over there, and then we have a bedroom on this side.
Kevin
Well, you got some nice, high ceilings for a room above a garage. A private sleeping space is gonna be good for you guys. And what a long way from that little, tiny one-car garage that was originally here.
Joe
Yeah, we always knew that garage had to come down, and we spent a while trying to figure out where we could put some new space, and we ended up with over the new garage.
Kevin
Which is perfect, right?
And attached to the house. Joe
Yep. So, it's attached to the house. We have a nice, big bedroom over here.
We have a full bath. Kevin
Mm-hmm.
Joe
We have a closet tucked in over here.
Kevin
And so, how long do you think you guys will spend here once you're retired?
Joe Sr.
We're hoping for two to three months.
Kevin
Oh. So you'll really get some use out of it.
Joe Sr.
Yeah. We plan to spend as much as we can.
Kevin
That's got to be very exciting.
Sue
Oh, it's so exciting. I mean, I have friends that have grandchildren that would be so happy to have a space like this where they could spend extended time with their kids and grandkids.
It's great. Kevin
Nothing wrong with three generations under one roof.
Joe
Yeah, we're really excited about it.
Kevin
All right. Well, good for you. And we'll see you at the wrap party?
Uh-huh. Sue
We'll be there.
Norm
Hey,
Roger. Roger
Morning, Norm.
Norm
You know, for a small lot, you did a lot of landscaping here.
Roger
A lot, but, as usual, the sod makes the instant impact, doesn't it?
Norm
It sure does.
Roger
We were able to get it down and laid out, and it looks really good, and we got it done before the snow came.
Norm
Anything special about this grass?
Roger
This is a really new type of grass. It just uses less water, less pesticides, less herbicides. It's gonna be just a great lawn for these people.
Norm
And you can put it down in the winter.
Roger
Put it down in the winter. We always do. It's dormant. It'll be fine in the spring.
All right. Roger
Next to it, we have -- Remember the concrete walk that was here, all broken up?
Yeah. Roger
Took it out, and we put in these concrete pavers, and they're made to look just like brick.
Norm
Yeah,
they look great. Roger
Came out good.
Nice and wide in the front. Norm
Mm-hmm.
Roger
Down here on the corner, we had that big, old gnarly maple tree. Do you remember the one?
Norm
Oh, I remember that, when you took it down.
Roger
We came out, and we took the tree down, and now we've put in three fruit trees here -- two apples and a peach.
Norm
Oh, so they'll have fresh fruit out here eventually.
Roger
They'll have fresh fruit. Let's take a look in the backyard. Norm, remember Liz had some roses of her mother's she wanted to save? Well, that's what's in this bed here.
You can see them. They look a little scraggly right now.
Norm
Oh, yeah.
Roger
Next year, they should blossom out, be 18 to 24 inches tall. If you wanted to, you could eventually train them
right up on the fence. Norm
That would be really nice.
Roger
The other side, we have some more planting. There's a rhododendron, hydrangea, some grasses. The tall tree behind you is a lilac we saved from the job.
Norm
And that was really important for Liz.
Roger
But over here is the queen of the yard right here. This birch tree is absolutely beautiful. Our arborist pruned it, put a cable in it. It should be good for several years.
Norm
Back here, we have a nice-sized deck that Liz and I installed, the decking material. It's nice to work with the homeowner. And I see you used the same pavers back here as you did out front.
Roger
Figured they worked out front, they'll work out back.
Norm
All right.
Roger
Now, Norm, underneath this driveway, we had a huge excavation, and we put in eight dry well tanks that hold 300 gallons apiece. We're storing 2,400 gallons of water. What that does, it catches all the water that comes off the gutters and absorbs it into the ground so we have no runoff at all.
Norm
That's great.
Roger
Now, these stone walls were brought in sections. They were made offsite, brought in, and set, and they set all these walls in a half a day.
Norm
Prefab stone walls?
Roger
Pretty amazing.
Norm
That's pretty cool. Well, you know, Liz and Joe are gonna be very happy with everything you've done, especially when the warm weather gets here.
It's gonna be nice. Norm
It will be.
Kevin
Tommy, this porch is gonna make a great first impression to anyone who comes to the house.
Tom
Oh, yeah. I mean, let's face it. It's the first thing you see when you drive up to the house. The porch is really impressive.
Kevin
Although it took a lot of work.
Tom
It was a lot of work, and it wasn't in the budget at all. I mean, we had to put new footings in, we had to reframe all of this lower section here. We were able to save the roof, but new columns, new stairs, and new railings.
Kevin
And we got a break, because we were able to save the original railing around the perimeter.
It's a little short for code. Tom
Right. Well, the building inspector signed off on the approval of that. Because it's an "old" house, you can do it.
Kevin
Yeah, and as you said, it was not in the budget, so if it wasn't for the help of the apprentices...
Tom
It never would have happened.
Kevin
Well, guess who's coming back.
Tom
Who?
Kevin
Check this out. Huh?
Look at this. Tom
Hey, guys. How are you?
Kevin
A little reunion, huh?
Tom
Good to see you.
Kevin
Nathan, Bailey, Austin. Welcome back, guys.
Austin
Thank you. We're glad to be here.
Kevin
Yeah, well, we're glad to have you. So, how about an update? What have you guys been up to since you stopped working with us?
Austin
Well, I mean, before I came to work with you guys, I was in high school. I literally just graduated and then got on a plane the next day. When I went back home, I started up college. But other than school, I've been in the workshop a bit, working on a TV stand that my mother's been waiting on for who knows how long.
We've had this flat-screen TV sitting on the floor of our living room, so...
Another good project. Austin
Yeah.
I like it. Tom
Great project.
Kevin
So, hitting the books and keeping busy in the shop.
Austin
Just trying to stay out of trouble.
Kevin
Awesome, all right. And, Bailey, what about you?
Bailey
Back to school and working, as usual. I've been doing a lot of drafting this semester, and I actually just designed a whole house and handed it in as my final yesterday.
Tom
That's great.
Kevin
You're gonna be working for her soon, Tommy.
Tom
Maybe.
Laughter
Kevin
And, Nathan, what about you?
Nathan
Just staying busy. Went right back to work -- a couple of big trim jobs, putting in a few kitchens. I actually just got married a few weeks ago, and we bought a house, an old house, so it's keeping me real busy.
Tom
That'll keep you busy. And congratulations.
Nathan
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Kevin
Old house, new wife. That's terrific. So, what do you guys think of the house? You've had a look around?
Nathan
Looks fantastic.
Bailey
It looks awesome. It's great to see drywall on the walls now.
Austin
I guess it's safe to say we could put our signature on it, and it'll be here for a very long time.
Kevin
Feel good to be part of it?
Bailey
Yeah,
absolutely. Tom
It will be here forever. You guys did a great job, and thanks for all the work that you did on this project.
Thanks for having us. Kevin
Oh, yeah. Well, hey, don't go anywhere. Stick around for the wrap party. Right now, though, I got to go in and see Richard,
so if you'll excuse me... Tom
Did you guys take a walk through the house? Did you see upstairs?
Nathan
Yeah. It looks fantastic.
Bailey
It looks great.
Richard
A little nippy out there, huh?
Kevin
It is cold.
Richard
Well, it's nice and comfy in here now.
Kevin
Yeah, it is, thanks to the new heating system.
Richard
That's right. Now, there was a big clunker of a system, and it had this old return right here. Now, we didn't refinish the floors, so we just left it. We abandoned it, but we found new registers that look old connected to our new system.
That is a nice match. Richard
Let me show you. So, quite the transformation down here, Kevin. Remember that big, old furnace we had right here? This was originally coal fire then it went to gas, big old, duct work everywhere, and we finally made it all go away.
Kevin
So, half of this space used to be finished. Unfortunately, we found so much mold
that it came out... Richard
That's right.
Kevin
...but with this gone, this is a great space
to refinish. Richard
That's right.
Kevin
And the chimney went away.
Richard
That's right. Thanks to Mike Rowe, actually. So, here's our command center right here. Instead of having individual gas-fired furnaces, we have one super efficient gas-fired condensing boiler.
It squeezes every bit of the heat out of it -- so efficient that it can't go and vent into a chimney, so it goes to outside right here.
Kevin
Making hot water for the whole house.
Richard
Doing everything. So, here's a super-smart pump right here pushing water up and over to one of our air handlers right here. So water goes through this coil, air blows across, it gets heated. You can see this refrigerant line right here in the summer, we can use it to take heat out of the building, connects to a condenser outside for air conditioning.
So we end up with four zones in the building right here. We also used this heated water to make water for the faucets for the whole building. So now we've made this building super efficient, we made it really tight, but we also have to think about one thing, important thing -- fresh air into the building. Let me show you.
So, this box is called a heat-recovery ventilator. It's pretty straightforward on the inside. It has a couple of different fans right here, and it has a core. Now, the exhaust from the kitchen and the bathroom comes right here.
Now, this is gonna be filled with moisture and smells and everything else, and that pushes down across that heat exchanger and gets sent to outside. But at the very same time, this fan is bringing air in from outside. Now, in the winter that'll be really cold. Now it passes down through that core in the opposing direction, and the heat that would've left the building actually gets picked up by the cold air here, and now, right here, is fresh pre-tempered air going right into the duct system.
Kevin
And this is pretty much standard fare for you these days.
Richard
Right, and it really should be code everywhere as we insulate these buildings tighter and tighter and tighter. In Canada and in many Northern states, it is required.
And it's good to have. Richard
Yeah.
Kevin
And we also put some radiant in the house.
Richard
Yeah, you were a good help with that. So, here in the garage we did the radiant with the grid system, put the tubing down. They have a beautiful floor here. The lines come back to right here to a manifold.
These two lines go all the way back to our boilers -- nice mixing value there to put the right temperature here.
Kevin
Nice for this space, but we have living space above, so nice for there, too.
Richard
Right, and for the cars, too. So, we ended up with three air handlers in the building. One we saw in the main house for the whole first floor, another one up in the attic -- will down-feed to the whole second floor -- and the last one we stuck right here in this closet. Now, we're off a garage -- We had to make sure this is a tight, sealed room.
So you can see a perfectly installed air handler. Here's our return air insulated, comes back through a filter right here. That's important. We've got refrigerant line right here with a coil that cools the air, comes up to a hot water coil here.
We're gonna end up with three -- actually four zones total. This place will be comfortable for years to come.
Kevin
The most comfortable it's been in 125 years.
For sure. Kevin
Nice job, Richard.
Tom
Hey,
Joe. Joe
Hey, Tommy.
Good to see ya. Tom
Good to see you. Coming in the new back door off the family room with this new,
added space here... Joe
Yeah.
Tom
...it's
great. Joe
Yeah, we love this.
Tom
The tile rug -- I like that.
Joe
Yeah, so this was a cement tile. If you remember, we designed it with a computer -- we really get the pattern and the colors exactly the way we wanted to, and it came out great.
We love this. Tom
Really great. They say computers are good for that.
Joe
They're good for something.
Tom
And you have this new space over here.
Joe
Yeah, so the architect made a great use of this -- this new space. We have a little bench here where you can sit and change your shoes.
Yeah. Joe
Then we have this nice, little coat closet over here.
Tom
Nice and low -- I like the idea of putting the shelf down low since you can put natural light with this window here, and Liz did a beautiful job on that window.
Joe
Yeah, one day she's out back building a deck, and the next day she's in here building a beautiful window like this.
Tom
You guys did a lot, and you worked hard.
Joe
Yeah,
we did. Tom
Yep.
Joe
And then we also have a new powder room over here. We used to have a full bath down here, but we shrunk it down, got some space back.
Mm-hmm. Joe
And we used the same cement tile in the floor in there that we used out here.
Tom
Yeah, it looks great. And, of course, the family room, I remember how bad that was. The flow was crooked, it had a bounce to it, and that little transition from the family room into the dining room -- just a little tripping point.
Joe
We'd always trip on it, yeah.
Tom
Well, we ripped it all out, restructured the floor, made it stiffer, stronger, raised the height of the walls and flattened the ceiling for the new bedroom upstairs. And in the corner we framed and put a big concrete slab in for your wood stove.
Joe
Yeah, that thing's not going anywhere.
Tom
No, we don't want it to fall into the basement. And Liz did a beautiful job helping Mark with the tile.
Joe
Yeah, she did, and I even helped install the stove pipe and the chimney pipe and was all the way up on the roof.
Tom
Obviously, you're not afraid of heights.
Joe
Not anymore!
Tom
Nice job, Joe.
Joe
Thanks,
Tommy. Tom
Well, the place is really
looking great. Joe
Thank you. We love it.
Liz
And here we have the dining room, which is pretty much the same as it was when I was a little kid. We've got the China cabinets still here, all the China made it. Nothing broke. Just a little dusty.
Kevin
The fact that you made us keep the China in the cabinet during the renovation, that was nerve-wracking.
Yeah. Kevin
So, that cabinet never moved, this one came out, but is now back in the corner, so not a bunch of changes here. But the big change is opening up the kitchen and taking down this wall.
Liz
Yes. I love this kitchen. This is one of my favorite rooms. One thing we knew we wanted was a large island countertop.
This is reclaimed oak from a barn in Ohio that Jeff Sweenor made us, and I absolutely love it. We've got the quartz countertop for durability, and here we have Fortuna, the goddess of fortune
on our fireback. Kevin
Oh, that's who that is!
Liz
Yep. She stands on a ball, and her cloak waves in the wind, and you never know if you're gonna get good luck or bad luck. She's certainly given us a lot of good luck.
Kevin
A good design choice, and inspired as well.
Yep. Kevin
Another rustic touch with this detail around the hood, and the subway tile, always a classic choice.
Liz
Yeah, a little bit of a handmade look to it.
Kevin
And you've got the diamond window, which you guys found, right?
Liz
Yep. We got it from the salvage yard, and it's supposed to match the existing diamond windows.
Kevin
It brings sunlight in from that wall, but you've got this bank of windows to bring more light in. This is the extra five or six feet of the bump out.
Mm-hmm. Kevin
Center sink.
Liz
Yep. You can wash a baby in here.
Kevin
Perfect for your situation. And more of the reclaimed oak, in this case, open shelving, which is a popular look these days.
Mm-hmm. Kevin
You guys got a lot
of reclaim materials... Liz
Yes, we love it.
Kevin
...including the floorboards that you had Charlie pull up and save I think from this part of the house here...
Yep. Kevin
...and turn it into
this barn door. Liz
I love this barn door. I think all the colors bring in all the colors in the house, and I think of Charlie every time I open it.
Kevin
Aww, that's nice, and it does a pretty good job of hiding a hard-working pantry as well. So, this is a long way from the old kitchen, which was a lot smaller, darker, it had that dated look, those old cabinets. I'd say you guys nailed it.
Liz
Thank you. I just -- I love this kitchen. I can't wait until I can cook a meal in here.
Kevin
Well, you can start. I think the house is done.
Liz
Well, there's one other thing we need to do. This way. You know how much this house means to my family, my parents, my mom, and hopefully future generations, so we figured we'd do something kind of fun and put a time capsule in the newel-post.
Kevin
Oh, what a great sentiment.
Joe
Yeah. So, we have some old pictures of the house in here going back to the '30s, we have some pictures of the house under construction, some pictures of Liz's family, some pictures of our family, some coins and other things that are important to us, and we're hoping that we can put them in there and then someday have our grandkids or our great grandkids find them here.
Tom
You're gonna have to have a treasure map
so somebody can find them. Joe
Yeah, I know.
Kevin
Of course Charlie's got it engineered so it fits.
Charlie
Got some magnets here. It was a pleasure working with both of you, and it was a great team effort, and I'm gonna miss both you guys.
Joe
We're gonna miss you, too, Charlie.
Tom
Well, I got to say, out of all the homeowners that we've worked with over the years, you guys really did your fair share of helping out.
Liz
We really can't thank you enough. We love this house.
Kevin
Well,
that is great. Tom
It's a great house.
Kevin
And look at this -- The whole gang is here. So that is a wrap on another great project, but we will be back with two new houses in the historic district of Charleston, South Carolina, and that's coming up next time. So until then --
I'm Charlie Silva. Tom
I'm Tom Silva.
I'm Roger Cook. Richard
I'm Rich Trethewey.
I'm Norm Abram. Liz
I'm Liz Delfino.
I'm Joe Delfino. Kevin
And I'm Kevin O'Connor for a wrap here in Newton for "This Old House." So what do you guys say we have a party?
Cheers and applause
I'm Joe Delfino. Kevin
Kevin
The completion of a construction project is usually cause for celebration. Today, we have some sad news. After filming the final episode of our Newton project, our friend and young apprentice Austin Wilson unexpectedly passed away. Austin had a pre-existing medical condition, and he died in his sleep.
He was just 18 years old. When he joined our team a year ago, Austin immediately became part of the "This Old House" family. He was hardworking, he was good-natured, and he was up for any challenge that we threw at him. We are obviously devastated by his passing, and our love goes out to his family.
Austin, our young friend, you will be missed. Next time on "This Old House"... How about this, huh? Charleston style.
In a city that was invaded once by the British, once by the Union, and now by tourists, we'll try to restore the elegance to this Charleston single house...
Scott
It's going to take a lot of work, but we're really looking forward to it.
Kevin
...and bring a family back to this home in the historic district.
Tom
There's a hole in the floor. There's a hole in the sidewall up there.
The ceiling's all fallen down. Judith
Yeah.
It's really in tough shape. Judith
It is.
Norm
That's next time on "This Old House."
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